Thanks to Dick's suggestion, I've recently had Virtual Railfan running while working on other things on the computer, and it's amazing on how long the trains have gotten. One in Tucson was 3 locomotives, two more mid-train, and I counted 277 cars. All double-stacks.
While I wouldn't expect anybody to model a train that long, it did remind me of some conversations we've had over train length over the years. The gist is usually that once a model train gets to about 20 cars or more, it "feels" longer. We've got evidence that local freights in my era could be 20 cars fairly regularly, and on many models that's a through freight.
Not all of the trains I'm seeing are that long of course, but there are a few other factors that I think come into play when trying to determine how long of a train on the model is "good enough."
L-1 3206 westbound with AO-3 at signal 89.8 in Newington c1946 (Kent Cochrane).
In my case, some of my trains will be limited by the layout itself. For example, the Holyoke freights from Cedar Hill have to deal with a 19-car (if I recall) staging track. As it turns out, the train is NY-4, and later in the day has to receive YN-3, both of which are actually the local for the Canal Line and north. It usually services Meriden and Berlin before reaching New Britain. As I've been researching, it appears photos seem to indicate that a 12 to 20 car train is appropriate in my era. As a symbol (through) freight, I originally thought these would be much longer, but it really functions as a local freight.
Going back to the steam era, AO-3 is the usual daytime Maybrook freight. This train is the longest train that will run on the layout. I can build a very long train in staging, even 116 cars as at least one train was noted by Tom McNamara on the back of a Cochrane photo. The limitation, though, will be how many cars I can get up the helix.
That 116 car train with an L-1 did have an R-1-b a cut in a dozen cars back, so that will help. But I probably still won't get 116 cars. The DER-2 (Alco FA-1/FB-1) locomotives were delivered in 1947, though. Which means that I won't need steam for very long on this run, even though I have pictures as late as 1947 using an L-1, they were assigned the DER-2s.
Watching the Videos
When watching the train go by, it wasn't so much the length that caught my attention, but how long it took to pass. While a 20 car train on most model railroads might look like a long it doesn't feel like one. Fortunately, for the years I model, the DER-2 (FA-1/FB-1) locomotives were in use and a set of three or four will definitely handle a very long train up the helix. I'll also have the advantage of using a fast clock. If I decide to run, say, a 40-car train at 15 mph, not only will it take a long time to pass in front of us, but it will take 4 times longer by the clock. So that helps.
The most visible factor may be the consist. In the modern era it's actually easier to shorten a train and still look prototypical, provided the train is all double-stacks, or covered hoppers, or a unit coal train, etc.
The issue I've always had is trying to match photos from my era. Through freights often have a cut of reefers at the front. If this is substantial, perhaps 10-12 cars, a 20 car freight no longer looks right. But if you cut a train by 80% and cut the number of reefers by the same amount, then you get one or two at most, and you lose the feel of a block of reefers.
The picture above is much more workable, as there are only four reefers at the front. In the visible portion of the train after that it's a flat car, 5 house cars (mostly box, but one looks like a reefer), then two gondolas, three more box cars, maybe another gondola, then more box cars.
The trick is trying to maintain what looks like a good mix, within the limits of what's possible on your layout. But I'm coming to the conclusion that for the Maybrook freights I am now leaning toward much longer trains than I originally considered. It will take some experimentation, but I'll see what I can do.
I did do a test ten years ago (!) with a 30 car train that you can see on YouTube
. Look at the old mockup for the east side industries entirely inside the top level of the helix. There's a video in the helix
That's a 30 car train and definitely wasn't the maximum that the FAs could handle up the helix, so I think once I get the decoders in those locomotives I'll test a 50 car train and see how that looks going through the center of town.
When I redid my active (fiddle) staging yard last year, I designed it for 15 car trains (based off 40ft or smaller box cars) with a caboose and two switchers. Originally, I had my tracks designed for 10 cars, and trains would absolutely need to double to proceed east ON to the layout. Off the layout (westbound) is not so much an issue, as the train can head into a track and the front cars and engines can be pulled in/off and the rest of the train pulled forward with an 0-5-0 switcher. Back to maximum train lengths handled Eastbound, 25 is my limit, but only for certain trains handling a majority of 36 to 34 ft cars (cement hoppers and coal hoppers). Of course, if the majority of a yard transfer happens to be 50ft cars, the trains will have to double, but that's OK. Also, regardless of the train/car type, I will haul 20 cars Westbound not only because I can apply the aforementioned "0-5-0 switcher move", but getting as many cars off the layout will free up room in an already cramped storage yard on layout. The 15 car train limit was also predicated by the amount of room between the throat of the staging yard and the approaches into the main carfloat yard that begins at the backdrop (about 10ft), as I didn't want the back end sitting in staging, and the head end sitting in the yard. Luckily, unlike you, I have no idea how long the LV's Pullouts (LV-speak for yard transfer runs) were, so I don't have to worry about compromising! Tests show that I think /
looks "right", or at least "good enough" to my eye. It also doesn't hurt that 15 cars is what a carfloat can hold, either...
That sounds like it will work very well. I still have to get down there to check it out in person!Delete
Obviously it's best to work this out before building a layout, but even still you may make changes down the road. I've lucked out in that the longest trains I need have access to the longest staging tracks I have.